SARI DHARAM is Religion of Santal adivasi.
SARI DHARAM is Religion of Santal adivasi. SARNA is religion of other adivasi like Munda, Oraon, Ho, including Santals of Bengal, Jkd, Bihar, Assam and Odisha. And some adivasi converted into Hindu and Cristianity. But, Only Santal people follow SARI DHARAM and already SARI DHARAM has recognized to West Bengal state and central Govt. West Bengal Backward Classes Welfare Department, Memo No- 942CRI/1-3CRI 2000 Date: 21/10/2000 clearly mentioned that Sari Dharam is a Recognized Tribal Religion of the Santals & they have come under the preview of the Marriage Act 1954. In the census of 1991, 1,63,070 no of Santal people supported Sari Dharam and Indian Census Board recognized Sari Dharam in 2002. in this regard govt. given notice (notice no - TAB.11015(R)/1991/6074/(30.10.2002) to all the District Magistrate of West Bengal to awared to improve Sari Dharam.
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All India Sari Dharam Conference 2015 was organised in Durgapur, Bardhaman, West Bengal & 2016 Conference will be organised in Bankura District Jaher Than Ground, near Bankura,(Bus stand)West Bengal on 12.11.2016 & 13.11.2016. All Santhal's are cordially invited to this Bharat Jakat Sari Dharam Baisi Conference 2016.
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DeleteYes Sir, I give you an article that written on our SARI DHORAM.
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“The Santhal – clan of India” is one of the oldest clan of the world. In India this clan is called aborigines. The religion prevalent in this clan is called “Sari Dharam”. In this religion there is a great mythology named “Jomsim Binti”. Here, there is the theme and the details of religions customs and rituals of “Sari – Dharam”. “Jomsim Binti” describes the great savior “Thakur”, the creator of the universe, the details of his creation, the first man and women – Pilchu Haram, Pilchu Burhi, Flora and Fauna and the creation of the seas and rivers and all other water bodies.
“Jomsim Binti” is a mythology based “Holy-writ”. The “Thakur” himself sent a God named Jomsim” to this earth to spread his glory among the people. During the worship of this God this “Holy-writ” is spoken out. So, this mythology is called “Jamsim Binti”. In recent times this mythology is found in written form. This mythology is mostly accepted among the Santhals as “Holy-writ” Till now this “Binti” was passed on from one generation to next generation in oral form but now it is available in written form. The Santhals lead their social and cultural lives by following “Sari-Dharam”.
According to “Jomsim Binti”, this universe has three clear divisions like “Sermapuri” or Heaven, “Dhartipuri” or Earth and Patalpuri or underground. The great creator himself (Thakur) and his wife Thakurain lived in this Heaven. In Patalpuri, there was only water and water alone and in between “Patalpuri” and “Sermapur”, there was this “Dhartipuri” which was round in shape and made of earth. According to this mythology, in the initial stage this universe was a deeply dark and endless inert mass. To its North–East direction there was a great mountain range named “Luguburu Ghantabare”. There was a great cave in this mountain and the mouth of this cave was covered with a great chunk of stone. “Thakur” (The Creator) thought of creating Gods and Goddesses with a view to spreading His glory in the universe and getting their help in creation. To do this, “Thakur” kept the earth on His index finger and kept it spinning in great motion. The Earth maintained its spinning motion in the great space and this universe too kept on moving. Due to this violent spinning the stony cover of the great mountain cave called “Dhirigarsini” slid and whirl of wind started coming out. “Thakur” (The Creator) created one by one God and Goddesess from the great cave of “Luguburu Ghantabare.” Among these Gods “Marangburu” is most powerful God.In Santali God is called Boga.
SARI DHORAM part-2
Delete“Thakur” gave “Marangburu” the great responsibility of bringing up the first man and woman and making this earth favorable for all the creature to live in.“Marangburu” also maintained a great relation and communication between the Gods of “Sermapuri” (Heaven) and “Thakur” “Marangburu”, his elder sister “Jaher Era” and his brother “Dharom” were engaged in the service of “Thakur” in “Sermapuri”. Jaher Era was engaged in cleaning the place of “Thakur”. Younger brother “Dharma” was engaged to arrange food for “Thakur” and “Thakurain”. “Marangburu” was in sole responsibility to supervise the “Chounria Mela” or the assembly of Gods of “Thakur” in heaven. From this “Chounria Mela” (assembly of Gods) the three worlds (viz. the heaven, the earth and the internal regions) were ruled. “Marangburu” would reach all the decisions taken by “Thakur” (the Creator) in consultation with other members of assembly of Gods to other section of the heaven. “Marangburu” again was in sole charge of bringing up the first man and woman “Pilchu Haram” and “PilchuBurhi”.
Thus, “Mararngburu” had to bear great responsibility both among the Gods and among man and woman. It is also known from “Jomsim Binti” that Thakur- Thakurain once came down to the Earth from Heaven and with them came down all the Gods and Goddesses to Earth. At that time as there was no Trace of water, there was no life or trees, with a view to creating life on Earth Thakur instructed all the Gods to dig up well in search of water. The work of digging halted due to a very hard layer under the earth. It was possible to pierce through the hard layer with the help of Thakur’s “Barchhi Hapa” (Sceptre). As soon as the hard layer was pierced there was a forceful fountain of water coming out of the “Patalpuri” (Internal region). It was water, and water. The earth was inundated; “Thakur” with all his Gods came up to Heaven through “torehsutom” (lightening). The earth remained inundated. It was like an endless ocean. In this water “Thakur” created aquatic animals like prawn, sheat fish, crabs, crocodile, tortoise, worm,whale, oyster, etc.
“Thakur” would observe the great ocean from Heaven and sometimes, would come down with Thakurain to bathe in the ocean. They would come down and go back through “torehsutom” (lightening). At that time Thakur was obsessed with the thought of creating man. One day when Thakur and Thakurain were busy in bathing, Thakurain had some dirt from her neck and held it in her palm and made one drake and duck and prayed to Great Thakur to give them life. At that time the Great Thakur was deeply meditating to create man. To honour the desire of Thakurain he gave an “ONG” (a blow from the mouth) to the two models of drake and duck. They instantly got life and started to swim in great joy. The drake (Hans) and the duck (Hansil) started to grow eating already created fish, oyster, snail etc as their food and taking rest on the lotus leaf created by all powerful Thakur. In course of time duck conceived and laid two eggs on the lotus leaf. Under the grace of Thakur two human off spring came out of the two eggs. One was male and the other was female. And they were the first man – “Pilchu Haram” and first woman - “Pilchu Burhi”. These two human offspring started to grow on the lotus leaf. Thakur understood that if the Sunken earth was not lifted from under the water those two human offspring could not be survive and so advised Marangburu to take imitative. Marangburu said to the great tortoise to float on the water and then he placed a great golden disc of the great Thakur on him. Then he asked the king of worm to bring mud from the depth of the water world. When Marangburu got the mud he kept it on the golden disc and created land measuring to one third of the earth.
SARI DHORAM part-3
DeleteOn the other hand, the lotus leave was almost sinking under the weight of the ever growing human children. For their safety and security the drake and the duck (Hans and Hansil) lifted them on their back and kept on flying in the sky. Their appeal and cry for a safe place for keeping the children was echoing in heaven. Upon hearing their cry, “Thakur” instructed Marangburu to hasten making up the land mass on the earth. When the land was made favourable for the human children, “Thakur” advised the Hans and Hansil to put down their children on the earth. The Hans and Hansil came down on to the earth to put their children on the surface of the earth and went back to heaven and merged with the great “Thakur” and Thakuran”. Practically this Hans and Hansil were a part of the great “Thakur” and Thakurain”. Thus, the life given by all powerful “Thakur” took shape in body through Hans and Hansil.
Thakur gave another responsibility to Marangburu to grow the first human children “pilchu Haram – Pilchu Burhi” and to make favourable condition on earth for their habitation. Marangburu got help from his elder sister, Jaherera and youngest brother, Dharom Gosain to do this. Marangburu got them (Pilchu Haram-Pilchu Burhi) married. They had been living so long as a brother and a sister but Marangburu made them drunken to ignore their relation and they were united as husband and wife. And they gave birth to so many children. The earth, thus, was full of human habitation and the desire of Thakur was fulfilled. The duty of Marangburn was still not over. He taught humans the customs and ritual of chhatiar (ceremony of putting rice to child’s mouth) for the first time, marriages, last rites etc. Thus, Marangburu was both the saviour of mankind and the “Guru” (Preceptor). In the Santhal community there is no tradition of Preceptor ship .Marangburu is the protector and the only medium of communication between “Thakur”, i.e., God and human kind
SARI DHORAM part-4
DeleteWith the passage of time and complexities of incidents, the progeny on “Pilchu Haram” and “Pilchu Buhri” kept on enlarging the members of the society. They took up cultivation as their occupation and started to live a community life. But with the growth of population man tended to be indiscipline and heretic. They went against the established social rules and principles for which “Thakur” had created them. Being outrageous “Thakur” started to shower fiery sparks in the human soul. As a result, the human race was on the verge of destruction. In this situation “Thakurain” held the hands of “Thakur” and appealed to him to control his rage. The great “Thakur” calmed down on condition that Marangburu would bring back the human race on the path of virtue, righteousness and religion. “Thakurain” called Marangburu and apprised him of the development. Thakurain gave the decors and ornaments of “Thakur”, the plume of peacock for the use in turban and anklet. She also gave all her dresses and ornaments like conch-bangle, vermilion and collyrium etc for distribution among the humans. She advised Marangburu to see that man wore all these dresses on the earth and chanted to invoke “Thakur and Thakurain”. And only then human race may be saved. Marangburu with company of twelve “Dashai Guru Boga” (Gods) came down on to the earth and met the human race, danced in those dresses and chanting the glory of “Thakur and Thakurain”. Thus, the desire of Holy Thakurain with the help of Marangburu was completed.When the people on earth was deeply celebrating the “Dashai” festival. Both the Thakur and Thakurain were happy and the rage and wrath of Thakur was mitigated and the human race was saved from destruction.”Dashai” is celebrated in the month of Dashai Chandu(Aswina).It start On the 6th day of the “Bright fort night” of the month Dashai Chandu(Aswina) which is called “Belboron”.This day people welcoming “Dashai Guru Boga” (Gods) .From seventh day of “Bright fort night” to ninth day of “Bright fort night” of the Dashai Chandu(Aswina) people Dance Dashai and visit all home in village. Among the participants in the “Dashai” festival some men dressed as women as the symbols of Thakurain and some adorn themselves in the dresses with plumes of peacock, on their heads to symbolise Thakur. Actually “Dashai” festival is to sing in praise the glory of Thakur and Thakurain.
SARI DHORAM part-5
DeleteEverything was sailing very smoothly; population of man and woman was growing. But they started to commit another crime. They ignored and neglected cattle, the great wealth that they got from Thakur through Marangburu. They were advised to take great care of the cows and drink their milk after offering it to Gods and take the help of bullock to cultivate their land and grow craps for their living.
But they took benefit from the cows and bullock without caring them. They drank up all the milk without offering it to Gods and also left the calves unfed. They made the bullocks toil hard on land but did not care to give them fodder, so the cows and bullocks were in great distress and were on the verge of destruction. They complained to the Thakur against men on their inhumanity and appealed to Thakur take them back to heaven to save them. Thakur become angry again and decided to take them back to heaven. Thakurain happened to know of the development and prayed to Thakur “Oh! Lord, if you take back the cows and bullocks to heaven, the whole human race will die in starvation. Please do not forget that the human race is also our creation. She requested to Marangburu to make the men take as much care possible for the cows and bullocks. You please control your anger”. Thakur controlled His anger and was pacified. Thakurain asked Marangburu to motivate the human race to arrange to worship cows and bullock in the lunar day of ‘Sohrae Candu’(kartika Month). Accordingly, following the sermons of Marangburu man worshipped cows and bullocks. But before that man washed them well, applied vermilion on their fore head, besmeared Oil on their Horns, and decorated their bodies applying different colours. They kept paddy, grass and enkindled lamp on a dish and offered “Chumara”(Arti) to the cow accompanied with hymns from the Religious Songs. Throughout the night they went from house to house chanting the hymns to keep the cows awake and they did so with musical instruments. Thakurain showed Thakur the charming scenery from heaven. This celebration is known as “SOHRAE” (celebration with the cows) on earth. Thus, with the active intervention of Thakurain, the human race was saved again.
SARI DHORAM part-6
DeleteThakur realised that in want of a religious discipline man is going astray time and again. So, he ordered Marangburu to formulate a religions’ limitation or periphery including all rituals and rites which each and every member of the mankind would have to follow. And man lived in a strict social life.
To honour the instruction of Thakur, Marangburu ventured out unto the earth with intention to induct religious discipline, morality, sense of ethics and all other virtue in man. Men went to different trees, which were God incarnate to them, but failed to understand the truth underlying religion. They continued to search for this truth for long two hundred years. Thakurain could not bear this failure of men and she herself appeared before men in form of a “Matkom Tree”. Men tried hard but yet failed to realise the depth of complete truth. At long last Thakur Himself came down to the earth in form of the Great “Sal Tree”. Sitting under this Sal Tree, the incarnation of religion and Truth, knowledge and wisdom, man attained the power to understand the deeper meaning and divergent impact of Truth.
That was a grand occasion. The oracle resounded. All the Gods and Goddesses assembled under. Godly Sal Tree. There was a great assemble of men on earth resembling to the Assemble of Gods in heaven. Thakur made His presence on earth in the form of Sal tree and Marangburu made his presence in the form of a piece of stone to lie underneath the Sal Tree.
In Santhali language Sal tree is called “Sarjom” and the great Sal Tree which is the embodiment of Thakur is called “Sari sarjom” and the meaning of ‘Sari’ is Truth. That means in the world of mortality only Thakur is the “Ultimate Truth”. As Thakur is worshipped in this earth, the name of this religion is “Sari dharom”. So, in “Sari dharom” it is seen that the people of the Santhal Community worship a piece of stone under a Sal tree. The place under the Sal tree is called “Jaherthan”. In every Santhal village there is unmistakably a “Jaherthan”. The Gods and Goddesses who are worshipped here are Marangburu, Jaher Era, Dharom Gonsai, Mare-Ko, Turui-Ko, haram Gosain Purudhul etc. though Thakur Thakurain exist on earth in the form of the Great Sal Tree and Matkom Tree, men has not the capacity or access to worship them because, they are the God and Goddess of the Gods and Goddesses. So, on earth Thakur and Thakurain are not worshipped.
SARI DHORAM part-7
DeleteEvery Santhal village is “Jaherthan” based. Members of the managing committee of this “Jaherthan” are Manjhi, Paranik, Jogmanjhi, Godet and Nayake. In a village they are known as “Ato-Morehor”(Panchajon,or a body of five). These five members look after the well-being of a village concerned. Head of the managing committee is the “Manjhi” and Nayake is the priest of the “Jaherthan”.
“Manjhi” is the Head of the Santhal Community. He controls the Community taking advice and suggestion, if necessary from others. Every villager is considered to be the Child of the “Manjhi”. So, “Manjhi” is called “Manjhibaba” also. Without a “Manjhi”, a Santhal community is blind and rudderless. Every childbirth in a village is brought to the notice of “Manjhi”, who with the help of the midwife sanctifies the lying-in-room.
When the baby attains the age of nine months, the “Manjhi” including others members of the “Ato-Morehor”(Panchajon) christens the baby and owns him as a member and follower of Sari dharom. This is done through a celebration organised by the respective householder called “Chacho-Chhatiyar”.
When the boy or the girl attains marriageable age, Manjhi-baba conducts all the ritual of the marriage ceremony.
SARI DHORAM part-8
DeleteThe marriage ceremony is entirely religion based. Both the bride and the bride-groom are imbibed with the spirit and feelings of Thakur and Thakurain through religious rituals because Thakur and Thakurain created man & woman on this earth and this bride and bride-groom again create or give birth to further progeny. Before the earthly marriage, there is a spiritual marriage in the “asman” that is in Swargapuri (Heaven). The marriage takes place before sunrise, i.e. at dawn. As a part of the rituals, during this marriage ceremony the bride is seated in a “Daurah”( ceremonial basket) and five of the elder brothers of the bride-groom lift the basket as high as possible. On the other hand, the brother-in-law of the bride-groom lift him on his shoulder and this both the bride and the bride-groom are taken to a place covered with green twigs called “Chhamda” or “Chhamda tala” under which an alter is made with twigs of Sal Tree and Matkom Tree to represent Thakur and Tahkurain and in front of this alter two ceremonial pots or pitchers are placed filled with water. Then the bride and bride-groom are turned round thrice anti-clock wise in the lifted condition (as the earth moves rounded the sun). Then the bride-groom removes the veil from the head of the bride and applies vermilion. This is called “Sindur – Daan”. During this auspicious moment everybody present Chants “Haribol”. This is done to invoke Omnipotent Thakur. Thus, the union of human Thakur – Thakurain in the form of the bride-groom and bride in front of the twigs of Sal and Matkom, the embodiment of Thakur and Thakurain is called marriage. Under the “Chhamda” or “Chhadnatala”, Marangburu, Jaher-era, Dharom Gosain and other Gods and Goddesses like More-ko, Turui-ko are worshiped and complete religion fervour is created. After death also the last rites are completed under direct supervision of the “Manjhi”. the Head of council of Santhal society. After burning of the dead body, a piece of circular bone from the forehead is collected. This piece of bone is called “Jangbaha”, it is floated in “Telkupigaya ghat” meaning flowing river. The philosophy of this ritual is that after death man goes back to the same place from where it had originated. The human soul is offered into the ever flowing ocean where Thakur and Thakurain created human life. So, in the funeral procession, the people chant “Horibol” praying to offer the dead body to be united with the great lord, Thahur. And an appeal is made for the dead body to be absorbed in the five primary elements. This philosophy of the “Sari dharom” of the Santhal community finds its essence in different social and religious songs. Every social celebration or ceremony gets its completeness and perfections through the singing of these Songs. These Songs are carried through the ages by hearing and memorising when they are sung on different ceremonial occasions. If these Songs are analysed, the inherent philosophy of “Sari dharom” can be found. This article will be a lengthy one if every detail of the philosophy of ‘Sari dharom’ and its social and religious impact and influence is explained.
why our religion name is sari dharam..??
ReplyDeletedoes it meaning true religion.
Sari dharam does not mean true religion, but mean the religion of Truth, that is ultimate or absolute truth.
DeleteBut nowadays maximum santals are accepted the sarna dhorom.Are they the Baptist from santal community?
Deletehave any ultimate truth in the world?if yes,how one can feel it according to sari dorom?
DeleteRabilal Murmu Gomke, it is true fact that many Santals are accepted sarna religion but that sarna religion is imposed on them by someone and that is only recent time. So your question is right because sarna religion has not originated from Santals mythology and that has no sound logical base or foundation. On the other hand in Sari dhorom has rooted or originated from their mythology and that has a sound logical foundation.
DeleteSahag Mandi Gomke, there has Ultimate Truth in this world and it has termed different term in different religion. In Hinduism it is called 'Absolute' or 'Parambramha', sometime it is called 'Ultimate Truth/charam Sattya' or Sometime 'Rta'. In Santal religion that is in Saridharam 'Ultmate Truth' is called 'Thakur Jiu".
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DeleteI think , its a new idea comes from some indian santals..
ReplyDeleteno never,you are wrong sir, sari dharom is not made by man .its originated by the LITO GODET ...that mean THAKUR,,GONSAI,,in the santal mithology,,and if you thinking its a ma made,then proof it how the possible.!!!!
DeleteTo honour the instruction of Thakur, Mrarngburu ventured out unto the earth with intention to induct religious discipline, morality, sense of ethics and all other virtue in men. Men went to different trees, which were God incarnate to them, but faild to understand the truth underlaying religion. They continued to search for this truth for long 10 or 20 yeras.Thakurian could not bear this failure of men; so she herself appeared before men in for of a "Matkom tree". Men tried hard but yet failed to realise the depth of complete truth. At long last Thakur himself came down to the earth in form of the great "Sal tree". Sitting under this sal tree, the incarnation of religion and truth, knowledge and wisdom, men attained the power to understand the deeper meaning and divergrent impact of truth. In Santali language Sal tree is called "sarjom" and the great Sal tree which is the embodiment of Thakur is called "Sari Sarjom" and the meaning of 'Sari' is 'Truth'. That means in the world of mortality only Thakur is the "Ultimate Truth". As Thakur is worshipped in this earth, the name of this religion is "Sari Dhorom". So, in "Sari Dhorom" it is seen that the people of the Santal community worship a piece of stone under a Sal tree. The place under Sal tree is called "Jaherthan".
ReplyDeleteCRITICISM OF THIS NAME OF KHERWAL RLGN ::::::::::::::::::::::::::
ReplyDeleteliterary Sari means true, Povitra, Sagun. actually Sari is the theory of true empowerment and holly place of marangburu. naturally the word sari is a objective word. its can b translatable by any language.. where naturally other's religion name isn't b translatable rather its only can b meaning..
if we translate it, its comes true religion, holly religion, sotya dhormo, pobitra dhormo, its seem totally awkard, unintelligent, n very cheap nature. truely sari isn't a historical n community identity of kherwal. religion is a big thing in a society. that cant be define by one small objective word. or cant b name by its nature. sari is way, ideal, moral of a religion. religion name by sari its meaning narrow arrogant. sari is a norms of kherwal ritual called 'Sari Aari' for worship Marangburu. so bring prosperity, bring devotional belief in kherwal religion to end the narrow supernatural belief we should name its by KHERWALISM. that's will b real pride as kherwal community. otherwish our future generation will b feel shame to exapress pridely sari dharam when they will felt its actual meaning. they will not get value, devotion from it until we develop it in modern devotional way. by touch of Hindu n Christian acculturisation they will not gets own religious belief, value... eventually nowadays santhal ppl feels hesitate to express their religion name by heart n pridely. they say it as formal. so for secure our religion n community identity as historical truth we should name it KHEWALISM. santhal is caste only not a community.. community means religious group socially, bt sari cant give us identity as community. as santhali we r not a religious group. look outside of the world there hv a sikhism, buddhism, Hinduism, Christianism as community bt we hv not any ism as community. santal's religion has described by sarna, sari, hindu, Christian in Wikipedia. its clear presently, we r standing in liberal approach in our own religion matter.. we cant sayin santhal means follwer of sari dharam only. as santhal we r nothing, rathe than caste only. if we name it kherwalism then our religion will be big, our all theory will b include in one word like hindu. nd the meaning of santhal will b the followers of kherwal religion. n converted santali will b deducted from santhal as origin identity.
Sir, your existance also a relative thing then have you said that you are not (exist)? No, we have no right to say that. Sir, if we derive the meaning of any by the literary then we could not gain the exact meaning of the word. So we have to search the connotation of the concerning word. If the member of the Santal Society has understand the Sari dharam and its impact on his day to day life the he/she can not felt shame to say own religion Sari dharam. Who can not understand their Sari dharam then that is their individual problem. They have to read our religious book but unfortune is that the Santals are unknowingly felt shame or disbelieve on their religon Saridharam and religious culture.
Deleteᱟᱵᱚ ᱥᱟᱱᱛᱟᱲ ᱫᱚ ᱵᱟᱝᱠᱟᱱᱟᱵᱚ ᱦᱤᱱᱫᱩ, ᱵᱟᱝᱠᱟᱱᱟᱵᱚᱱ ᱥᱩᱫᱨᱚ. ᱟᱵᱚᱫᱚ ᱢᱤᱫ ᱴᱟᱝ ᱡᱟ.ᱛ ᱠᱟᱱᱟᱵᱚᱱ ᱡᱟ.ᱦᱟ ᱡᱟ.ᱛ ᱨᱮᱱᱟᱜ ᱧᱩᱛᱩᱢ ᱦᱩᱭᱩᱜ ᱠᱟᱱᱟ ᱥᱟᱱᱛᱟᱲ. ᱥᱟᱱᱛᱟᱲ ᱠᱚᱫᱚ ᱠᱷᱮᱨᱭᱟᱲ ᱢᱮᱱᱛᱮᱠᱚ ᱢᱮᱱᱚᱜ ᱟ ᱟᱨ ᱡᱟᱸᱦᱟ ᱜᱮ ᱠᱷᱮᱨᱭᱟᱲ ᱫᱷᱚᱨᱚᱢ ᱵᱚᱱ ᱢᱮᱱᱮᱛ ᱠᱟᱱᱟ ᱚᱱᱟᱜᱮ ᱥᱟᱨᱤ ᱫᱷᱚᱨᱚᱢ ᱠᱟᱱᱟ.
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DeleteWhat to write in our religion ,if there is mentioned Hindu ,Muslim ,Shikh,Other
ReplyDeleteYes, if we have no option to express our own religion Sari dharam then we write Others religion, because our religion Sari dharam is not recognized by the Indian Constitution but recognize to exprees or write our own religion Sari dharam. So, we have to recognized our own religion Sari dharm from our Indian Constitution. Then we will receive our constitution right of religion and then we write or express our own religion Sari dharam.
DeleteI am writing sari dharam in all documents. No question of shame/hesitation
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Deletewhich religion are true sari dharam or sarna dharam? where are different from sari or sarna? why our religion are sari or sarna? please tell me.
ReplyDeleteSantal religion is not a simple statement that it may be true or may be false. Santal religion is SARI DHARAM and it follow the Santl since in memorial, and Sari dharam is based on holy write "JOM SIM BINTI" and also "KARAM BINTI". The Santals control their social life, individual life, religious life accordance with Sari dharam and what is known Kherwal dharam, Hor dharam that is nothing but Sari dharam.
DeleteIt is my pleasure to inform you that BHARAT JAKAT SARI DHARAM BAISI is scheduled to organized the 9th ALL India Sari Dharam Conference - 2017 at Kamarpara High School (Near Khanyan Rail Station), Brindabanpur, Hooghly, West Bengal on 28th (Saturday) and 29th (Sunday) October 2017.
ReplyDeleteWe the Santhals being the follower of Sari Dharam, will exchange our views to strengthen our religious movement. Many learned personalities, philosopher and social reformers belonging to Sari Dharam from different part of our Country and foreign Country (Bangladesh, Nepal & England)will grace the Conference to promote our Indigenous Identity.
I am glad to invite all the Santhal's on this conference. Your glorious presence will be highly appreciated.
The conference was just fantastic awesome.
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ReplyDeleteThe world is on a turtle back.How can I believe it?
ReplyDeleteWelcome Murmu babu, yes,it is a mythological statement then if we derive the litaral meaning then we could not get the main theme or main theory as a result of this that we could not believe anything what is mentioned in mythology. But if we deeply think about that mythological statement then we find that there are scientific explanation. In Santals Saridharam scripture "Jomsim binti" what is mentioned as the 'turtle back' that is not mean the litearlly turtle back but there is a another meaning and that is analogous of the earth plate or geographical plate. And this earth is made by "lendet raj", the 'lendet raj' analogously mean the earthquack. So the earth is come up by the earthquack and that is analogily mentioned in Saridharam scripture- "Jomsim binti" before discovering of science. This earth is content of geographical plates and it also described as "golden disc on the back of turtle" in "Jomsim binti". So it not the statement that is unbelievable.
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ReplyDeletethanks for valuable information
ReplyDeleteIf thakur is supreme then why not worship him directly?
ReplyDeleteWho is thakur? Why we called " hari bol" during all important rituals ? Is He same as " Lord Hari" is Visnu and is Maragburu is Lord Shiva of Hindu .?
Why Brahman/ Baman are called to sing hare krishna hare Rama
DeleteAt the last day of death ceremony or last day of bhadan
In ancient time the Kherwar (the Santal) ancestors were worshiping only "Thakur Jiu". But latter they had got many bongs their wondering time, afterward they worship only the bongas and forgotten the "Thakur Jiu".
Delete"Thakur Jiu" is the Bongas of the Bonga..Supreme Being, the creator of the univers. He give us life, and makes everything in this univers.
Yes, Sir, we call him "Hari" in some rituals when one is died or one whose marriage is performed. I think 'Hari' concept is differnt from the others because in Santali "Hari" means "Har udug ich" (the path finder or one who find us the righ way). So Hari concept is differntly grown up, but one thing is that occasionally the Santals live association of Hindu. For this reason the Hari concept may mixed up...
No, Sir, Marang Buru is not the Lord Siva or Bishnu. And Thakur Jiu in not Marangburu, So Thakur Jiu is not Lord Siv, Bishnu or not Marangburu...But latter the Hindu are mixed up the two thoght of Tribal and Hindu and makes the Lord Siv..but Lord Siv is not the Marangburu at all...
I think 'Hari' concept is differnt from the others because in Santali "Hari" means "Har udug ich"
DeleteDear sir Don't tell I think, don't try to interpret and speculate
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Support your statement with scrictural reference
Plz describe the activity of thakur ji...
DeleteHis appearance , work etc
Who are the other bongas ?
DeleteHow they forget thakur ji
Why so much concepts of ghost ,bhoot, dain is there in santhal caste.
ReplyDeleteWhy so much people keep worshipping
Diffent bhoot bonga apart from Maragburu ?
Other religion has very less case of these thing.why only in santhal these thing are there? And why Maragburu allow these things to happen if he is at all supreme?
Why should we continue such a religon where you were always harrash by bhoot bonga and ojgha bonga?
I think this all are superstition made by man.
DeleteNot are are right or exists in nature.
Every religion has their own story of creation of this universe. but earth is only OK be.How to understand this fact.
ReplyDeleteYes, in Santal religion has a own story of creation of this univers and Santal story of creation is very much similar to the scientific explanation of the univers.
DeleteIf we derive the literal meaning of the Mythological statement then we could not get the main theme or main theory as a result of this that we could not believe anything what is mentioned in mythology. But if we deeply think about that mythological statement then we find that there are scientific explanation. In Santals Saridharam scripture "Jomsim binti" what is mentioned as the 'turtle back' that is not mean the litearlly turtle back but there is a another meaning and that is analogous of the earth plate or geographical plate. And this earth is made by "lendet raj", the 'lendet raj' analogously mean the earthquack. So the earth is come up by the earthquack and that is analogily mentioned in Saridharam scripture- "Jomsim binti" before discovering of science. This earth is content of geographical plates and it also described as "golden disc on the back of turtle" in "Jomsim binti". So it not the statement that is unbelievable.
Big huch puch ...
DeleteMy question was earth is only one.
But different religion has different story of how earth came..
So who has created earth , the Himalaya , ganga, sun ,moon , jamuna, animal , plant ,,,,
Your thakur or maragburu ,or Hindu God bhramha or Muslim God Allah or
Christian God crist ?
the question was earth is only one.
DeleteBut different religion has different story of how earth came?
It is true that earth is only one and it is also true that one earth is interpreted in different approaches or different perspective of view. Like this...there is one table and peoples are sitting around that table. Then they perceive the same table but their knowledge and view point is differ from each other. From the different angel or view of point, their knowledge is relatively true. In this way there is so many opinion regarding on thing. In this way there is so many schools in Indian Philosophy or religion which are based on only one "Veda". The "Veda" is their foundation or ground, and based on this ground different schools are raised.
So world is one but there is so many theory about the creation of the world because there is so many religion scripture, so many mythology, so many faith, so many belief. That is why there is different opinion about creation of the earth.
DeleteIn "Jomsim Binti"regarding the cration : "Jug do monchopuri chelehon bako taheg kana. Thakur-Thaakraan erong devalok serma reko tanheg kana."
DeleteIn Rgveda: " There was not non-existent nor existent:
there was no realm of air, no sky beyond it. (Rgveda. X.129)
Which one is perfect sari dhorom or sarna led by pt raghunat murmu.or kerwal dharam by Ramdas TUDu
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DeleteProof it that sari dhorom is perfect.
DeleteJust saying is not enough .that any one can tell.
"My religion is the best"
" My country is best "
"My caste is best"
And finally
" I am best and perfect"
Justify , give reference...
Who are actuall kherwal and what is their philosophy.
ReplyDeleteThere are yet another branch by dasarath manjhi and sect like sapha hor of pakur ? So which one is perfect?
Who are 12 dasai bonga .what is there name?
ReplyDeleteসরগপুরী থেকে যে ১২ জন গুরু (দেবতা) নেমে এসেছিলেন তাঁদের নাম হল (তাঁদের নামে মতপার্থক্য থাকলেও) – ১। ধরম গুরু, ২। কামরু গুরু, ৩। ভুয়ৗং গুরু, ৪। সিধ গুরু, ৫। সিদো গুরু, ৬। গান্ডো গুরু, ৭। চেমেঞ গুরু, ৮। নরসিং গুরু, ৯। কাঁশায় গুরু, ১০। ভায়রো গুরু, ১১। ভেন্ডরা গুরু, ১২। রহড়া গুরু।
Delete᱑. ᱫᱷᱚᱨᱚᱢ ᱜᱩᱨᱩ, ᱒. ᱠᱟᱢᱨᱩ ᱜᱩᱨᱩ, ᱓. ᱵᱷᱩᱭᱟ.ᱝ ᱜᱩᱨᱩ, ᱔. ᱥᱤᱫ ᱜᱩᱨᱩ, ᱕. ᱥᱤᱫᱳ ᱜᱩᱨᱩ, ᱖.ᱜᱟᱱᱰᱳ ᱜᱩᱨᱩ, ᱗. ᱪᱮᱢᱮᱧ ᱜᱩᱨᱩ, ᱘. ᱱᱚᱨᱥᱤᱝ ᱜᱩᱨᱩ, ᱙. ᱠᱟᱸᱥᱟᱭ ᱜᱩᱨᱩ, ᱑᱐. ᱵᱷᱟᱭᱨᱚ ᱜᱩᱨᱩ, ᱑᱑. ᱵᱷᱮᱸᱰᱨᱟ ᱜᱩᱨᱩ, ᱑᱒. ᱨᱚᱦᱲᱟ ᱜᱩᱨᱩ.
1) Dhorom Guru, 2) Kamru Guru, 3) Sidh Guru, 4) Sido Guru, 5) Gando Guru, 7) Chemeng Guru, 8) Narsing Guru, 9) Kansai Guru, 10) Bhairo Guru, 11) Bhendra Guru, 12) Rahra Guru.
They are guru or bonga?
DeleteAnd what is their teaching?
Supai tudu Gomke, they are Guru in one aspect and another aspect they are the bonga of the Dansai Wondering (Dansai Daran/Dansai Festival). Their teaching are found in various kinds of Dansai songs that has sung during dansai festival. The objective of their teaching is to attain the salvation from the suffering, from the sorrow, from the non-moral action.
DeleteHow to attain salvation and free from suffering a/c to them?
DeleteWhat are the teaching given in dansai song?
Why we are suffering and what is our real identity?
DeleteWhat is the purpose of life?
DeleteAccording to Sntal mytholohy and Saridhorome the purpose of life is self realisation and realisation ABSOLUTE or Ultimate truth.
DeleteWe are suffering because we don't know ourself or our self identity. So our thought is limited on our bodily or physical needs and we try to achieve our needs and we get suffer from that desire instead of fulfil our needs.
DeleteOK...then
DeleteExactly what is self realization ? And how to become self realized?
What is absolute truth?
DeleteWhat is our real identity?
DeleteAnd what sari dhorom community is doing on that direction?
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DeleteAustric Civilization of India: Pre-Vedic Kherwal Civilization”
Delete...During the “Dasain” they pay homage to the people who suffered for them and who laid down their lives for the “Des and Disham” (motherland). During this festival, they worship the motherland by putting “sunumesindoor” (vermilion mixed in oil) and “Aynamkajal”(Surma and Kajal) in the Khand and thus at the beginning of the programme, the “Guru” asks the “Chelas” (disciples) when they asked for “Sunume Sindoor” and “Aynam Kajal” from him:
ᱪᱮᱛᱮ ᱞᱟᱜᱤᱫᱛ ᱪᱮᱞᱟ ᱦᱳ ᱥᱩᱱᱩᱢᱮ ᱥᱤᱸᱫᱩᱨ?
ᱪᱮᱛᱮ ᱞᱟᱜᱤᱛ ᱪᱮᱞᱟ ᱦᱳ ᱟᱭᱱᱚᱢ ᱠᱟᱡᱚᱞ ᱫᱚ?
Thus the “Guru” asks his Chelas “Oh Chela, please tell me why do you want from me sacred oil bound vermilion (Sunume sindoor) and why do you need the “Aynam Kajal” (Surma and Kajal)?”
Then the Chelas replied:
ᱫᱮᱥᱞᱟᱜᱤᱛᱜᱩᱨᱩᱦᱳᱥᱩᱱᱩᱢᱮᱥᱤᱸᱫᱩᱨ
ᱫᱤᱥᱳᱢᱞᱟᱜᱤᱛᱜᱩᱨᱩᱦᱳᱟᱭᱱᱚᱢᱠᱟᱡᱚᱞᱫᱚ।
The Chelas reply that they wanted “Sunume sindoor” (oil bounded vermilion) to decorated the country. Thus they pay their homage to the motherland through the celebrations of Dansain every year.
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DeleteIn song no-03 taught us that how we conduct, how we behave or how we respect each other. Where there is no moral conduct, there is no ethical life, no society. But where there is human society there are moral life, moral conduct, good conduct. That is why human society is different from the animal world. Because men has a moral obligation, they respect each other. So in this song represent the conduct and behaviour of the Guru and disciples (greeting). In Kherwal Santal society there are various kinds of "greeting"...like, "So johar (So Greeting), "Balaya Johar" (Balaya greeting) etc.
DeleteDansai songs represent the teachings about Mind, body and Soul and their relation. b) Body and Souls nature that is these songs are represent us the knowledge of human nature, Sel-knowlege.
DeleteThe Self-knowledge is presented in devotional way by means of singing and dancing. In Dansai song the body is termed as "luguburu ghanta bare", "triyo", "Banam", "Bhuyaang", "Garke" etc. and Soul is termed as, "Laauria" or "the controler" or "handler", "lugu lumaam", "bonga kora" of "bonga boy", "Bonga kuri" or "Bong girl" etc.
DeleteSUPAI TUDU,
DeleteBabu, your all question are philosophical question i.e., 1) What is our real identity? 2) What is absolute truth? 3) Why we are suffering and what is our real identity? 4) What is the purpose of life? 5) what is self realization ? And how to become self realized? 6) How to attain salvation and free from suffering? 7) And what "Sari Dhorom Community" is doing on that direction? These all question are pure philosophical question, so how would I given the answer of them? I try to answer your question later. Thank You Supai.
I want to know why people go to durga puja mandir and do dasai enec at the time of durga puja are they worshipping durga puja or honouring the thakur the creator
DeleteSаntal do aкошак dноroм renaк иutuм ge вако ваdae каn танеn
ReplyDeleteSari ge Rabilal Gomke, adi Santar ge akowag dhorom nit hong bako badaya ar aouri ko urum darehwag aa..
DeleteTrue , chedak se Santar jawan ko do
DeleteHandi purwo aar kudi bhulab khan time ge banko nan da ko....
Almost all of the santal youth are not interested in dharam ,and spirituality ,in getting liberation...
They are more interested in handi , purwo , pata Tandi, smoking, animal killing, kudi patao..in selfish agenda ...
Killing each other using bonga...
Hate each other..
Hatred among santal families is very common
That's very true supai tudu even after knowing all kind of nonsense happening in around them still they are ignorant. This is the height of ignorance. Who will go and take interest in Santhal dharam if this kind of nonsense are being observed
DeleteSanthal people have not rcv the teaching of sari dharam then how Will they come to know abt it
DeleteSubrat dada...
ReplyDeleteIs this correct
https://www.youthkiawaaz.com/2017/12/from-durga-to-hudur-durga-the-other-side-of-the-story/
Are we ancestor of mahisasur ?
https://wap.business-standard.com/article/news-ians/not-just-durga-mahishasur-also-worshipped-in-india-116030100361_1.html
Deletehttps://m.patrika.com/hazaribagh-news/santhal-society-totems-mahishasura-1418069/
Deletehttps://aainanagar.com/2017/05/20/hudur-durga/amp/
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ReplyDeleteboiha, nowado adi dukh reyag katha kana je abo Santar ko nit hon Santar idi kated baday banug takowa. Diku pusi abo chetan janha ko ol tol akada ona ko parhaw katege nongkako ol eda..
SUPAI TUDU
ReplyDeleteBoiha... Mahisasur do Santar korage hui dareyag aa...njutum do Maaisa Soren > Mahisasur. Ar banh Kol (Ho) Kora kanay mendo Kherwar gosthi kora kanai...nowa do ekdom sari katha kana. Menkhan nowa Sari katha bang kana je abodo Mahisasur ren Bonsodhor kana bon se Uni do Abo ren Agil Hapram kanay...nowa do men bang ganog kana...
SUPAI TUDU
ReplyDeleteBoiha...
Mahisasur do Santar kora kan rehoni...Mahisasur do Santar do banko deva-sevaye kana...Uni pujaa pasa ay renag bohog-hasu (matha-betha) ge banug takowa Santar kowag.
AR Dansai Danran re uni Mahisasur do Abo Santar do babon bonga-buru ay kana..Santar do chhatik ren Durgaa enga (ayo) hon banko deva-sevaye kana..huyug Dansai Danran talate ar huyug etag pujaa talate...okatag tehon Durgaa hon bang ar Mahisasur hon abodo babon deva-sevayet kina...
SUPAI TUDU
ReplyDeleteBoiha...
Dukh reyag katha kana...Santar onolia janhay one onka...website re blog post benao kate Santarag culture, tradition ko ol parsal eda...unku Santar do Santar idi kated perfect knowledge ge banug takowa..ekal name, fame menet njutum hatao lagit, hero benag lagit ko kami kana..onatedo Santarag ched utnaao hon bako utnaao eda borng Santarg bikriti lagit ko dhuraao akana.
SUPAI TUDU
ReplyDeleteBoiha...
Chhatik kowag Durgaa Pujaa do nevetar (sur din reyag kana) reyag kana...ar Santarag Dansai Danran do adi seday reyag kana...(janich khan chhatik khon adi adi marang reyag kana) enkhan oka lajao teko o-ol kana je
durgaa pujaa re Santar ko Mahisasur ko pujaa ay kana???
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ReplyDeleteBoiha..Nowa kodo jhoto Hidukoron prokriya chalag kana...Santal ar etag adivasi koway Festival ko Hindu Festival kana proof lekahan geto Santar ar etag adivasi ko hon Hindu kana ko....nowa katah adi paka pakig takowa..ar Aboren SANTAR hon bon goro ako khan ma akowag ched etke-tore (problem ge) bang tako..
SUPAI TUDU
ReplyDeleteBoiha...
Hudur-Durgaa do Santar njutum kan rehon dikuowag Durgaa pujaa do Santar do bako manaoyet kana...
Hudur-Durgaa chetan janhay Santar ko ol-tol eda se ol kate ko parsal eda ona tattwa se Theory do vul geya.
bang thik geya...
SUPAI TUDU
ReplyDeleteBabu.... Thik onkage... aboren bonga buru kodo...Marangburu, Jaher Era, Moreko-Turuiko r More bochhor por por Sinj-Bonga ko pujaa akaowa...sebon deva sevayet kowa..
Onkage Dansai Danran redo..Thaakraan e vejao akda sunum sindur ge more maha, okoy do pe maha nonka lekate atuke atu horag duwaar ke duwaar sunum sindur bon asen eda...
Nui Thaakraan do diku ren Durgaa enga (ayo) doy bang kana.. nui do sunum sindur duwarr duwaar asen talate Dukh-e gog idiyeda...
dhuk-go, dukh-go > Duggaa > Durgaa janhay do abowag dhukh hareket, shaset e gog idiyeda..uni Thaakraan.
Babu, Supai
ReplyDeleteNonka lekate...aboren ayo hor ko, enagt, daai, kaki, hatom ko-ko mena tehenj do Thaakraan era-y bolon kana...
Nui Thaakraan do bang kanay diku ren Durga se Parboti do..Nui do Thaakur Jiu rinich era Thaakraan kanay..
nonka lekate..Dansai Danrara saonte do dikuwag Durgaa pujaa saote Santarag Dansai Danran renag ched Jog-sutra ge banug anag.
Mendo, Santar do Mahisasur hon bang ar diku Durgaa ayo hong bang ko deva-sevayet kinaa...nowa do abo baday huyug tabona.
Babu Supai,
ReplyDeleteThis is totally wrong concept that "Apparently, not many people are aware of the festival, which is known as Dasai among the Santhals."
But it is true that many Santal and non-Santals are mis-interpreted the Santals Dasai Festival and it is also true that many Santal who writting the Dasai Festival artical are obviously not known perfectly about their Dasai Festival.
SUPAI TUDI
ReplyDeleteBOIHA,,,
Mid tang Dasai serenj khon inj laay eda....1) "Lugu-buru Lugu-lumaang", 2) "Ghanta-Bare Laouriyaa"...nowa katha reyag meaning ki baday menag tabona??????
Janich banug aa....hoy,,nowa reya meaning do meaning do....Hormo-Mone-jiwi ren laouriyaa do uni Lugu lumaang kanay..,Lugu Lumaang do Jiwi kanay (Lugu-Lumaang is the Soul of the human body and Soul is the sole controler of the mind, body).
Nonka ge ayma serenj menag aa..nowa dasai serenj redo Santar kowag "atma tattwa se atmo tattwo (theory of Self and body) sodor akana....
Boiha Supai Tudu,
ReplyDeleteAm janha artical korenag link em em akada ona ko jhoto do aourinj parhaw aa...parhaw kate arhon answer konj kol aa...
Babu Supai,
ReplyDeleteTobe Dasai Daran cheta artical ko ol bara akadaanj to ona te baday aanj oka do perfect history kana Dasai daran rena...nowa reya barya origin njel njamog aa....ona kin tuluch kated inj njel akada je...diku kowa Durgaa pujaa saote do Santarg Dasai Daran reng "Bindu matro sonjog se mil banug aa...there is not a single point of similarity and nor a single link in between Santals Dasai daran and Durga puja...). ched link ge banug anich.
Subrat Tudu ji, I am researching on ancient past of India specifically on relation between Aryans and adivasis. I want religious books of adivasis to find any information on this point. If possible help me.
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DeleteRIGVED of Sanatan dharm (Hindu) describes Rakshas, daitya, Asur etc. Who were these? Were they adivasis? These rakshas and asur were very strong and RIGVED's rushing munis demand patronage against them. It seems war continued for centuries and Aryans suffered a lot at the hands of these asur. God knows how Aryans managed to win and push Smart as towards forests,mountains and South India. Hatred of that period still continued for centuries. Will the learned persons of this platform throw light on this matter?
ReplyDeleteI'm 18 now, till 18 years of life I only knew that I belongs to Hindu religion. But somehow today at Quora I get to know that or you can say introduced that we have our own religion named "Animism" that refers we belongs to forest, we have our own god's like Forest, waster, stone, soil and all that. Tonight while consulting about this with my mom, I get to know this shes's nit that much known about this and she also assumed once that we have our own religion and our religion got mixed up with Hindu religion cause our gods are some kind of same. But my Question is, do we really have our own religion? Named? Why this so much underrated or most of the people didn't knew about this? What we should to do to introduce the world to our religion? I will be thankful if you reply! Thank you.
ReplyDeleteMr. Gomke, (Name is unknown) your mother is right what she had said to you that we have our own religon but assuption is partly true, because it is fact that many people are star to thik that our (santals) religion is mixed up Hindu religion. But, the real fact not like that, infact Sntals religion is pecuiliar and distnct from Hindu and christianity.
DeleteWe have our own religion, that is " Sari Dharam".
DeleteDo we have really our own religion apart from Hinduism and Christianity?
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ReplyDeleteहेल्लो SUBRATA TUDU
DeleteI Have Many question regarding truth of universes
Can I contact you.
Are you in social media
Or can I contact you Personally?
"हेल्लो SUBRATA TUDU
ReplyDeleteI Have Many question regarding truth of universes"
Ok Sir, please put your all questions in blog/comment box I will try to answer you question.
SUBRATA tudu sir ji
ReplyDeleteBahut confusion hai
Jo reality mein nature mein exist karta hai
Wo mythology se match nahi kar raha hai
Mythology mein kuch aur hai but nature mein jo existance hai usse proof milta hai kya such hai kya nahi
But mythology mein bahut logical error dikh raha hai
Mai question serially puchunga jaise jaise develop hua us tarah
Q1: universe Pahle se existance tha ya
Kisi ne bnaya?
Q2: aur yadi kisi ne universe ko bnaya to kaise bnaya ?
Kaise unhone bnaya wo To logo ko btaya hoga na ?
Q3 : aur jab kuch tha hi nahi pahle
To bnane wale ka existance kahan se aaya?
Wo khud pahle kaise bna ?
All these answers are explained in detail in Sanatan Dharma (Hindu) .lakh of verse describe this.
DeleteBut in other religion it is explained very less.may be in just few pages.
And there is nothing myths .. concept of mythology is started by British people so that they can divide and rule.
So whatever's history we read in present history book is written by Britisher.
So they are calling it mythology.
But they accept Jesus Christ as historical person.
Kuch v myths nai h sab reality h...jo v likhit h veda Puran h .only thing we don't know science behind it.that all
DeleteHello Sir Hi jo mera question hai mujhe lag raha iska jabab kisi mythology mein nahi milega.
Deletemaine sare jagah dekh liya hai .
mujhe aisa lga ki jab logo ka development ho gaya thoda jab gyan aaya tab logo ne apne stitwa ke bare mein ahsas hua aur suchai janne ki koshis ki.
But koi jabab na milne par nature ke ghatna ko dekhakr imagination karke mythology bna diya gaya aur generation wise badte gaya .
aaaj tak kisi ne swal nahi kiya aur na such janne ki koshish ki.
iska jabab kisi mythology mein nahi milega kyonki utpati se related sabhi mythology mein logical errors hai.
Mera question ka jabab nahi milega kahin bhi.
DeleteNahi sanatan dharm mein na hi islam mein na hi cristian mein na hi sari dharam mein
aur koi dharam hoga to usme bhi nahi milega iska jabab.
kyonki ye bat such hota to nature mein aaj nature mein iska proof milta .
yadi iska jabab aap de pao to syad aap such dhoond sakte hein ya karib ja sakte hein nature ki reality ki aur.
Adiwasi ko pralritk pujak kyon kaha gaya ?
prakriti pujak shabda ka actual matlab kya hai ?
According to Sanatan Dharma
DeleteGod has created this universe.
Jis universe me hum rahte h..
Usko bhautik Jagat Bolte h.aur jaha Bhagwan rahte h wo spiritual world h .
Ye bhautik Jagat Ko jail ki tarah compare Kia jata h...
Jo jiv Kam krodh lobha aadi se dusit hote h bagwan usko is bhautik Jagat me bhejte h.
Bhagwan kaha h ?
Spiritual world me.
Kaise dekh sakte h ?
Qualifications chahiye ..phir dekh payenge.jaise PM Modi se koi v bhikari ya normal aadmi nai mil Sakta h..phir kuch important aadami hi personali mil sakte h.
Hamara world 4 dimensions h...
DeleteLength breath height and time .
So spiritual wo me time nai hota h.so bagwan eternal se h.time factor sirf es Jagat me h.
Eistein ne ..
Theory of relativity me bataya
Every thing is relative.
Which is supported by vedas and purana
Why earth is mention as sphere by modern scientist but vedas as flat .this is also explained by great Vedantist scientifically.
DeleteMany famous scientist like
DeleteNewton , lord Kelvin, Eistein etc except existence of GOD
How GOD created this universe ?
DeleteIt is explained in various vedas puranas in detail
By the ways
DeleteÀap apna identity bata sakte h.
Aur kya proof nai ho Raha nature se.
Aap ne kuch aur jabab de diya
DeleteMaine jo question kiya uska ans nahi diye
Jabarjasti jasti tod mrod wala bta kar accept karwana chahte hein
Therlogy logic hai
PM modi wala logic
Waise bhi constitution ke par nagrik ka adhikar hai har nagrik PM se mil sakta hai
To apka Thetherlogy logic fail
Ab original question ka ans dijiyega
Science ne keval energy aur atom ka existance mana hai
Na ki God ka
Sir ji mai apse respectfully puch raha
DeleteJabab hai hai to bol dijiye nahi hai
Mai ved ek mythology nahi hai
Wo ek vigyan hai
Galti se pandit ne use dharam granth bna diya air kuch
Mythology lga diya usme
Logicaly sonch kar 3 ka ans bta dijiye
Science and mythology alag alag chij hai
Yadi mythology pahke aaya to usme wo sab bat bhi honi chahiye To science mein ab hai
Waise bhi ved bahut purana vigyan hai
Usko dharam sw na jodiye
VED ko bhi nature se prove milta hai tab hi viswas kiya jaa raha
DeleteNature se proof nahi mile to uska bhi viswas nahi hoga
Answer already de diya
Delete3 questions ka
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God has created .how ?
Read bagwat puran 3rd canto.
Where is he now .vaikuntha plannet. Now far from earth given in SASTRA.what he is doing given in bagwatam Puran.
Crystal clear answers
No thod maror
Most of thing of science is there in vedas.
DeleteScience of medical , astronomy, science of aeroplane metallurgy, biology , machine
EK bat accept karte hein ki
DeleteUniverse element se bna hai
Keval element hi such hai
Chahe kuch bhi ho element se bna hai
Bas ye nahi pta element kaise bna
Iska matlab ye pahle se existance tha iska isko Kisi ne bnaya nahi
Aur Nature ke ghatna ke karan sab kuch element se hi bante hein
By the ways
DeleteHar nagrik PM se mil Sakta h ...lakin usse pehle usko appointment Lena padta h.. security se pas hona padta h . checking Hoti h.milne ka cause hona chahiye ...tab Jake permission milti.
But if PM milna chahta h public se tab stage me aaam admi mil Sakta h other wise no
Creation means there is creator...
DeleteDesign exit that means there is a designer.
Just like to put a small settelite in space NASA scientist is working day and night and 24 hr control is there.some scientist will be sitting in control room tosee parameters live velocity , distance etc.
So how is that this big earth is
Rotating by its own.in precision
Science say if the earth would have little far or near to earth .there would have no life in earth .so who has put this.
A car cannot move without a driver .living being.spirit.
Matter cannot act independent of living being.
Matter is working under the supervision of some persons
It is not possible to post every thing here.and time taken.
DeleteBetter give your contact and identity..
Are u Santhal or Christian Santhal or else
Bhagwat Gita bhi maine dekhe hein sir
DeleteBhagwat GITA mein panch tatwa par jyada jor diya hai
agni wayu jal mitti ek ka name yaad nahi aa raha
ye to element ka zikar hai energy ka zikar hai
keval yahi such hai enargy ka existance
Yadi App creator ka bat kar rahe to creator kaise bna ?
Deleteswal ye hai ?
wo bhi khud nahi bna hoga ?
usko bhi kisi ne bnaya hoga ?
aur jo usko bnane wala hai usko bhi aur koi bnaya hoga
ye cycle chalega kab tak pta nahi yadi creator ke concept se dekhe to
creator ka bhi creator hoga?
is tarah iska jabab milega hi nahi
bas keval such hai enery exist karta tha phale aaj bhi hai aur rahega.
nature pahle se exist karta hai kisi ne bnaya hi nahi .
Apko bta dun ki mai pure santhal hun.
DeleteB.tech kiya hua
meri jigyasa thi universe ko janne ki
mera manna hai aane wali pidi mein galat ya andhviswas na jaye iska jimadari bhi current pidi ke log ka hota hai
log wahi viswas karte hein jo use bataya gaya
mai suna dekha aur such janne ke liye swal kar start kiya
VED BHI DEKHA
BHAGWAT GITA BHI DEKHA
BIBLE BHI DEKHA
SARI DHOROM ya KARAM BINTI bhi suna
but JO reality hai duniya ka kahin mila nahi
JO bhi kahin likha hai swal swal karne par jabab nahi milata
such janne ke liye kuch practical kiye
USSE bas itna samajhane ko mila sab nature pahle se exist karta tha
bas nature ke ghatna ke karan sab sambhav hai
jiv bhi ban sakta hai.
Kabhi time mile to meri samajh post karunga
Deletephir aap swal karna aur dekhna ans milta hai ya nahi.
ans mil gaya to meri bat such ans nahi mila to mera bat wahi galat ho jayega.
Ok . ..
DeleteDear unknown....
First existnace of God k bare discuss karte h ..then only apko questions who created god explained kar sakte h
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Here are some links first try to see that in sequence then we. will discuss who has created god..ok.
https://youtu.be/83vR0kjbECw
Johar
DeleteMe too doing masters in engineering...so little busy..
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DeleteI am very much enjoyed this discussion with all of you and this discussion is very interesting.
DeleteYes Gomke, (Unknown Person) your questions are very much reasonable and mostly logical. It is true that your arguments that Religious persons made their authority by concerning their religious scripture and religious doctrine. But Gomke, not all things are useless, because religious scripture is like a ladder because it helps one to reach destination. And after reaching ladder is unnecessary and useless; likely religious scripture is also a unnecessary when one realize oneself.
But yet, mythology in not a content of erroneous concept and things because Mythology is a part of Religion but not the hole religion. So, mythology is not logic of the universe. And it does not mean the content of contradiction thought and concept. So Logic and Mythology is different thing. And there may be logic behind the mythology.
I don’t mind but I tried to answer your question in indirect manner...So don’t mind...just we are discussing for showing justification about creation of the world of universe.
In the discourse there are some postulate, presupposition, axioms, laws etc. So we assert that every Science, Religion, Mythology has some axioms, laws, postulates, presuppositions etc.
Then, let us see, at first...in mathematics...or in Geometry...
a) Why we say “let us suppose”? Why we must have to suppose?
In Ethics (Morality) there are some postulates of presupposition....
a) Freedom of Will
b) Immortality of Soul
c) Existence of God (who determined our action and according to our action He gives us the result (fruit of action).
d) Voluntary action of Human being.
In Every Science at first assume...
a) Uniformity of Nature
b) Law of causality
c) “All events have a cause” or “every event has the cause”....yet we are unable to see all the pasts’ event, present event and future event. Likewise there in Chemistry, in Physics, in Microbiology, in Zoology have some postulates.
And if we deny these postulates, axioms, laws, presuppositions then we will fail to proceed. So we must take these axioms, postulates as a given. So, these all axioms and postulates are self-proved.
So, in Science, Religion, Mythology there are some unproved proof, unchanged change, unconditioned condition or self-proved proof, self-caused cause, self-conditioned condition, un-mover moved of final cause.
So, some worldly things are three dimension or four dimensions that is Length, height, width, space/time (spatial /space, temporal/time).
And if all things are four dimensions then our Soul (Self) is not the four dimension things. Then that is another character in nature that is Soul or self is not spatial, temporal etc.
So, in concerning Religion there is a mythology and there are some presuppositions or postulates. And many philosophers have tried to shows of presenting some arguments regarding the creation of the universe.
1) Ontological arguments about creation of the universe.
2) Cosmological arguments about creation of the universe.
3) Teleological arguments about creation of the universe.
So, in every Religion there postulates are....
a) God has created this universe.
b) God exists before creation.
c) And God has the purposes for creation.
On the other hand, if there is only Nature then everything is four dimensions and changing. So we could not demand the same individual of childhood and older age. And we see the system in the universe, there is purpose, there is morality, there is obligation, then if only Nature is existing, then cosmos-system, morality etc. cannot be possible.
Mai bhi adiwasi hi hun
ReplyDeleteBut mujhe bahut se logical error dikh rahe
Aisa lag raha logo ne such ko bhula kar anshviswas kuch jod diya
Mujhe proof chahiye currently nature se jo bhi stated hai
Nahi to jo such hai jo nature mein dikh raha
Aurjiska proof nature nein hai keval usi ko manunga
Kyoki such ke alawa kuch bhi manna sahi nahi hai
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Aur nahi to ab adiwasi budhijivi milkar
Logical error ko thik kiya jaye
Aur kuch anshviswas ko dur kiya jaye
Nahi to mujhe kuch suchai mili hai
Use sabke sath share karta hun
Phir chintan karte hein us par
Unkown Babu, The Adivasi and The Santal (SANTAR) are not identical word or term. So, I would like to say that at first 'I am the Santar, then I am also an Adivasi. My reason is Adivadi is the relative term wile Santal is the identity.
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ReplyDeleteMere 3 swal ka jabab de dijiye
Phir aage puchunga swal
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DeleteJOHAR SUBRATA JI & SUPAI
ReplyDeleteBaha parv, Tusu parv aur Soharay parv ke bare mein pura batane ki kripa kare.
Ho sake to apne sabdh mein hi bataye.
Baha parv ,tusu parv , soharay parv kyon manate hein ?
DeleteUnknown Babu I am in little busy beause of my exam will be held on near april month to june...So I request you to wait some time to get answer.
DeleteBaha porib Santal log observe kartahay, lekin other adivadi log bhi karta hay alag nam por. Sohray porob bhi Santal observe karta hay, lekin others Adibasi bhi alag nam se karta hay..Lekin Tusu porob other Adibasi log perform karta hay, observe karta hay...Lekin Sntal log nahi observe karta hay..Lekin Sntal Tusu porob (Dance) dekne ja sakta hay, ja raha hay...
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ReplyDeleteApne such kaha
DeleteBhale hi hum pahle assume karte hein
But bad mein proof bhi ho jata hai
Aur jo proof hota hai use to manna hi padega
But jo proof nahi hota use aaj bhi nahi mante hein
Math science mein
Thank you Sir, bad me apke sath aur discuss karenge..is tara ki batonke bare main.
DeleteLekin Sir Ji, apka, pata/name bata sakte hay kya? (bura mat maniye Sir Ji apke nam puchhne se. kynuki).
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— Field Observations
“It has been observed from the field that the status of Santal life in Paschim Medinipur and Bankura districts of West Bengal reveals a very clear picture of oscillation from one place to another. First, gradual process of Hinduisation in the form of various Bhakti-cults, in which Vaishnavite tendencies are reflected, is a peculiar Bengalee-Hindu peasant culture. Second, a line of development has taken place in some contact situations where the Santals, including other tribals converted to Christianity, got the opportunities of better education and economic improvement provided by many Christian missionaries. This directly contributed, to a great extent, to the awakening of a sense of consciousness among the tribals about their deplorable conditions. Along with this, a new type of retribalisation movement in recent times, in the religious front, may be found in some places of this area.
This is known as Sari dharam, a religion based on ‘truth’ as the ‘Sari’ means ‘truth’.
Directed with an aim of striking a religious identity of the Santals in a region dominated by widespread Hinduism and to some extent haunted with conversion to Christianity of the Santals, ‘Sari dharam’ (a religion based on ‘truth’) has made a distinction between three groups of Santals :
i. Safa – hor : Following Saiva cult or Local Hinduism represented by the Deswali Majhi
ii. Um – hor : Christian Santal
iii. Bonga – hor : Followers of ‘Sari-dharam’, believers of traditional Santal gods.
The first group represents a case of ‘Re-tribalisaiton’. The second group is an example of ‘De-tribalisation’ and last group presents a good picture of ‘Contra-acculturation’ or ‘Santalisation’. This retribalisation presents a picture of contra-acculturation.”
“The main features of Sari dharam are not only propitiation of the traditional gods but also the revival of traditional dance and music; they are thus, eager to back their traditional culture and language. A section of the Santal during the 1961 census tried to identify themselves in distinct ‘Sari dharam’ religious group. This was led by Late Sadhu Ramchand of Silda in Paschim Medinipur district of West Bengal. The younger generations also are now eager to preserve their traditional cultural heritage in the form of seminar, workshops, observance of different pujas and festivals.”
Sari dharam, a religion based on ‘truth’ as the ‘Sari’ means ‘truth'...
DeleteBut what is that truth ?
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ReplyDeleteEvery thing cannot be proved by science and math. because science has its limitations.
ReplyDeleteIt has not yet develop any instruments to measure happiness, bliss, lust , anger ,greed, emotions,...
That does means these thing is not there.. similarly science has not able to measure or capture the spirit soul and mind ...
Which we can easily understand by spiritual science.
For more depth of knowledge about spirituality , you may refer the books of ..
ReplyDeleteA c bhatki vendata Swami, Radheshyam Das , IIT Mumbai, Chaitanya Charan das,
B tech...
Thank you very much Supai Babu for your valuable suggestions. And your opinion is very much strong and reasonable and also logical. Thank you again, we will meet next time.
ReplyDelete@SUBRATA TUDU
DeleteApne mera name pucha tha
Mera name Navin Hembrom hai
Jharkhand se hun
(Graduated B.tech )
SUBRATA TUDU DADA aar SUPAI DADA
Deletechaliye kabhi time mile to vichar karenge
but such yahi hai nature pahle se exist tha aur nature ke prakriti ke karan hi sabka existance hai
Science ka bhi limitation hai
hum sab Logo ke gyan ka bhi limitation ho sakta hai
but aaj to andhviswas fail raha hai uska ek matra reason hai
jitne bhi dhram ke name par myth hai.
Humaare man aur imagination kaho ya sochne ki power itni jyada hai ki
Jo chij hum nahi dekhe hein ya nahi jane hein uske bare mein hi imagination karke uska rup bna lete hein
aur jab shuruat mein log ka civilisation hua to we log bhi gyan ki talash mein the ki
KYA HUA ?
KAISE HUA ?
kuch unhe gyan nature se mila aur
kuch nahi milne par nature se related karke imagination se generate hua.
Aur aaj jo hum sab ek dharm ki hod dekh rahe hein wo sab imagination ke karan utpan gyan hai .
jis par humesh sawal khada hota hai BUT jabab nahi milta .
aur jo real nature se gyan mila uspar na kabhi sawal khada hoga aur yadi swal hota bhi hai to use nature se jabab mil jata hai aur us jabab ka har koi mahsoos kar leta / such parakh leta .
isiliye ye BAHUT bada rahasya hai ki UNIVERSE kaise bna ?
GOD ka koi real existance nahi hai / ye imaginary knowledge hai .
Dear Navin brother..
ReplyDeleteFrom your above statement I can clearly guess that either you have been brought up in big city far away from Santhal community or belong to Christianity.
No Santhal people who is living in Santhal community can have doubt whether God is there or not..and if not god then existence of ghost.
1. We have a ceremony called "rumdakao " where certain people can call spirit and ghost inside some of trained people..
When spirit enter their body , they can't remember what they did for that period..
I personally knows people like that who train people to do that.
It is not blind faith.
Experiment and research can be done in that area.if you interested you can do.
2.in various festivals like Baha saharay these spirit enter in man's body for some time .it is not myths.you can visit near Santhal village on that occasion with doctors and scientist to do experiment whether it is just a haulogenation or truth.
3.prahalad Jani ...just type this in Google..he is living without eating for more than 60 year .in Gujarat. He is saying I get strength from Devi.
Doctor from USA has come to examine him
.and they have no reason how he is alive .it is beyond their medical sciences
Sorry bro
Deleteआपने to apne se hi imagine करना शुरू kar दिया
Jo maine State किया वही apne किया
Iamgination
Mai thoda alag sochta hun इसीलिए आपने ऐसा imagination किया है
But I am from village and pure santhal
Not a Cristian
Christian dharm mein भी to andhviswas है
App mujhse puch sakte hein imagine mat कीजिये
Is dead nature kaho ya jivit nature BUT nature mein anek chupe rahsya hein
Deleteprahalad Jani ka aapne bat kiya to isme suprise ki koi bat nahi
yadi aap bhukh mitane ka nature bna do body mein to body apne liye jarurat chij khud hi internaly bna degi
waise yadi aap koi kam nahi karoge to normaly 7 din tak bhukhe rah sakte ho kyonki humare body mein bhi bahut kuch bnate rahta hai
I agreed that there are many cases of blind faith in adhivasi. This is because of ignorance .but in the same time
ReplyDelete50 percentage of that cases are true
When some one die we say"he has gone"
ReplyDeleteWho has gone ?.his body is still there laying in his bed.
His spirit soul has gone.
We are not this body ,but we are spirit soul..we are not just bunch of chemical which make our body...
We are spirit soul which lives inside the body gives to us...
This is Bagwat Gita teaching
If we would have just a chemical than scientist have revive dead body to life...
ReplyDeleteJust add chemicals to dead body which is missing and revive?.is it possible no why?..
We are not this body
We are spirit soul.which already left body .so you can't revive him.
This is first understanding of spirituality.
Spiritual life begins with understanding ourself (,leave god).
Ask yourself are we just a lump of chemical or something more
Geeta says that as body changes from babyhood to childhood to youth old age.
ReplyDeleteSimilarly spirit soul pass from one body to next life.
Eg...
Remember your body in childhood..
You had a small body.completely different from now ..
Then you become young .and when we become old.
Whole body will be change.
Medical science says that at every 7 year ,your body's whole cells is replaced..new cell come .that means your whole body is Changing...
But then what is not changing so that you are telling you are same Naveen in child ,young and now also you are same.
That is your are soul and soul is not changing,only body is changing.
Mahabharat Geeta etc are not mythology..
ReplyDeleteRecent time research are going on in Dwarka by Indian scientist ..
Just google it.
Ram Setu has been found out by NASA pictures
By the way , where is your native place?
ReplyDeleteWhere you did btech?
DeleteNature is made up of dead material .
ReplyDeleteLike machine.
Machine cannot work by its own.
Operator is required for functioning of m/c.
आपने गलत बोला
DeleteNature is made by atom and molecules
Aur sare atom ka apne apne properties है
Jab bhi adhik atom ya molecule मिलते हैं तो
New nature wala substance bnta है
Aur uska bhi apna properties होता है
Yadi is bat ko samjh le to baki suchai bhi mil जाएगी
Lord Krsna tell in Gita ..Nature is working under me
ReplyDeleteEk bat aisa kijiye
DeleteAap apne man mein 0 zero ki Kalpna kijiye
0 zero ka matlab kuch nahi
Ab Sochiye की jab दुनिया tha hi nahi
Matlab sunya (0 zero)
Ab man se देखने ka koshish कीजिये
Us sunya rupi jagah par koi hai ya nahi
Keval apke man mein ek अँधेरा बिंदु बनेगा
Aap wahan dekhne ka कोशिश kijiye ki koi hai ya keval sunya hai
A small artificial settelite can not work but its own.
ReplyDeleteMany NASA scientist are controlling the satellite 24 hours a day.
How can earth work by it own?
Do magnet ko pass layenge तो
DeleteWo attract hoga ya repulsive hoga ya
Magnet ka nature hai
To scientist ne kya kiya
Nature ke rahsya को dhoonda aur use अपने use ke liye
Aur application dhoond liya
Isme surprise की kya bat hai
Hmm brothe Navin, ham mante hay ki do magnet ko oposite point ko pass layenge to attract hota hay..aur do same poit ko pass layenge to attract nahi karta hay...e sobhi thik hay..
Deleteto question hay ki..is tarha do atom ko pass layenge tob human being ban jata hay?
Dear Navin brother, I am very much happy to receiving your all questions.
ReplyDeleteApne sahi kaha ki humans reason ka bhi..limitation hay.. ye bat bahut sach bat hay...
Supai दादा और Subrata दादा
ReplyDeleteअभी भी nature mein bahut incident hai jiske karan kuch na kuch jiv ( sajiv)
बनते हैं wo bhi dead material से
Alag bat hai Manusya ka bnana thodi jatil prakriya hai
But aaj bhi aap dead material ya nature se jiv bnate hein
Example mein
Aap rakh को hi ज्यादा din pack karke rakhiye ( thoda pani ki matra bhi rakhiye)
Kuch din lagene but kich kide ( chote jiv ज़रूर dikhege )
Ya gay ka gobar bhi pack kar दीजिये
Aisa ki बाहर se kuch ander na jaye ander se kuch बाहर na aaye
Kuch din lagenge but kuch chote jiv ज़रूर नज़र ayenge
Is tarah bahut ghatna hai nature mein
Aaj to test tube baby ban raha
मतलब kahne ka element mein jiv banne wale sare composition bne तो jiv bnega hi
Aur ye nature mein hote rahta hai
Dear Navin brother, ham mante hay ki test tube baby ho raha hay, hota hay...e sob thik hay..
Deletelekin ap bata sakte hay ki...atom/Nature ka property me .....
1) koyi Freedom hay?
2) Koyi Peace hay?
3) Koyi Pleasure hay?
4) Koyi pain, happy, enjoy, laugh, cry hay?
is quality agar atom ke property me nahi hay to kanha se aye hay?
Navin Babu, we are all agree that Nature is made up by atom. It's all right. But how atom construct a human body as well as other body?
ReplyDeleteIf Natuer made up by the atom, the it is an effect or result and atom is the cause. Tob question ayega ki kya atom ko ultimate cause bol shakta hay?
qustion ayega ki Nature ko conscious being kaha shakta hay kya?
Natue to har time chage hota rehta hay...to...atom bhi chage hota rehta hay...tob..ham log bachpon se buda tok keise bol payenge ki..I am he same person? Why we think that I am the same person? Why do not change the identity of the self?
Is questions ka answer Nature se nahi milta hay...dear brother Navin....Is questions ka answer milega Nature se bahar (beyond) me...
SUBRATA DADA
Deletesara chij atom se hi bna hai atom apna properties humesha bnaye rakhta hai
jab atom aur molecule milkar dusra chij bnta hai to nye chij ka properties alag hota hai but
actualy akela atom ka properities nahi badalta hai
Why we think that I am the same person ?
jivan ka jo basic construction hai wo kabhi nahi badalta (body mein bne molecule structure as DNA ya RBC,WBC etc)
body grow karega aur jab energy khatam ho jati hai to dead ho jate hein
dusri bat
humari memory bahut jyada hai aur jo bar bar repeat ho use to bhulenge hi nahi
kabhi koi nahi sochta mai ab dusra ho gaya hun
humesha hum apne bare mein same hi sunte jante rahte hein
kuch ghante ya minto mein apka ek hi pahchan dusrate rahta hai
apne se ya koi dusre logo se
Dear Navin brother, aapko ek question puchhenge ki..
ReplyDelete1)Nature koyi Morality milta hay ya koyi obligation milta hay?
2) Nature me or atom me koyi relation hay kya? agar hay to keise us relation/sampork ko banaya jata?
3) Agar Nature pehle se exist karta tha tob Nature hi sobhi ko controll kar raha hay....tob question ayega ki..Nature Spiritual hay ya material hay...?
Agar Nature only material hay..tob..spiritual being/thing ko Nature se alag ek entity ko manna jarurat hay..knyuki srif atom/nature se human body nahi bana huya hay...isko kehte hay embodied janha me Nature/atom and spirit milta hay...
Isko apne examine kar shakte hay...is tara...jeise ki...socho (just imagine, but don't do that) apne ek hat ko kat dala..tob us hat nahi movement kar payega...lekin us hat ko bhi atom/nature se bana huya hay..tob us atom/nature and spirit beng/thing ko somojh payenge..
Sahi swal DADA
Deleteab mai apka har swal ka jabab dunga ek ek karke but
Apka ye sawal dekhkar aisa laga ki aap confusion mein hai
ki nature kise kah rahe hein
2) Nature me or atom me koyi relation hay kya? agar hay to keise us relation/sampork ko banaya jata?
To sabse pahle to aap ye clear ho jaiye ki hum apne charo aur jitne bhi chij dekh rahe ya mahsoos kar paa rehe sara chij Nature hai
aur Nature ke incident ke karan bne chij ko bhi Nature kahte hein
jaise humare charo aur vatawarn
hawa pani jan pahal jangal pathar prakash
aur jitne bhi chij jise sajiv ya nirjiv ab jo kaha jata wo sab Nature hai
ye pahle se exist hai
aur Nature ki sabse choti ikai jisse bna hai wo Atom hai .
chahe Nature kuch bhi ho
1)Nature koyi Morality milta hay ya koyi obligation milta hay?
DeleteAb apka ye swal ka jabab
Ye dono word Morality aur obligation to pahle tha nahi
hum manav mahsoos kar sakte isiliye ek dusre ke sath ache se rahne liye
samaj mein Morality aur obligation bnaya gaya taki koi ek dusre ko harm na kare
aur yadi kaha jaye ki ek logo ke beech sahi se rahne ke liye Morality aur obligation bnaya gaya
taki manav life ballance rah sake koi kisi ko harm na kare
To apka Question ka answer:
Nature mein bhi self ballance ki prakriya Hota hai aur hote rahta hai
isi parkriya ko Nature ka Morality aur obligation kah sakte ho
3) Agar Nature pehle se exist karta tha tob Nature hi sobhi ko controll kar raha hay....tob question ayega ki..Nature Spiritual hay ya material hay...?
DeleteApka ye swal ka jabab
ye hi such hai nature pahle se exist karta hai
aur Nature ke ghatna ke karan hi sab kuch bante bigadte rahta hai
abhi hum ek dusre se bat kar rahe, bol rahe ,dusre ka felling to nahi jan sakte but wo share kare to jan sakte malab share kar sakte hein isiliye syad hum khud ko material kahlana pasand nahi karte
Other wise sara nature material hai .
jab water ko hum material bolte hein wahi water humare body mein hai to hum matetrial kahlana nahi pasand karte aur
hume jo sunne mein acha lage wahi name diye manusya
BUT reality yahi hai sab nature material hai ek pathar ya hum manushya
alag bat hai study ke liye alag alag differentiate kar diya hai properties ke hisab se
ki ye manav hai ye water hai ye hawa hai ye garmi hai(energy)
But ye sare chij humare body mein bhi hai
aur baki material mein bhi hota hai
To Sara Nature ko material kaho ya kuch bhi